What are you Reading?

Perhaps someone should translate Shakespeare and Dickens to English.
Honestly, Shakespeare's and certainly Dickens' language don't strike me as overly difficult... although Shakespeare's work can be quite dense or multilayered.

My experience with Shakespeare was thus: in my final year of high school, English studies included a Shakespeare play; that year we did Macbeth (they cycled through several different ones). Now I was lucky: I had an excellent teacher, who explained the whole thing in detail, line by line. And I think the grisly subject matter also helped, so I actually rather enjoyed it.

But not so much that I really desperately wanted to read any of his other plays. I have occasionally tried, but find it pretty much incomprehensible. It's even worse when trying to watch film versions, where one cannot slow down and try to make sense. I thought it over a bit today and realized that with filmed versions of Shakespeare plays, I quite literally understand less than I do of most films in foreign languages (assuming no subtitles).

Which is to say, I understand literally not a single sentence of Shakespeare when delivered rapid-fire in a film. I get most of the words, but cannot make any sense whatever of what is being said. And what makes the Shakespeare more difficult than the hypothetical foreign-language film is that it is heavily based on dialogue; in most other films simply watching the action will give one a gist of what the story is about!

As I noted before, in the end I have to ask myself whether it is worth the effort, given that none of us have infinite time. With effort I can make better sense of Dickens (though I very often run into sentences that I simply cannot parse any meaning from, no matter how slowly I read them over and over.) So yes, I could probably plow my way through more of his novels. But is it worth it? A friend of mine lent me a copy of Great Expectations, but one of those condensed versions in which they shorten the story a bit and rewrite the sentences in modern English and so on. I had no trouble at all reading it, but it left me cold - I developed no desire to go read the original.

Within another generation or two, Shakespeare will begin to pass into history, and become like Chaucer - something only a few specialists can readily read and understand. Unless, of course, we rewrite his work into more modern English. Sacrilege? Impossible? Not sure, but I ask myself whether "blown up by his own bomb" is really any less clever and funny and poetic than "hoist by his own petard." The only difference, it seems to me, is that one is more comprehensible. :)

Mind you, I'd probably still not be able to follow or make sense. I'm like that with poetic language. I can understand it, but I have to slowly read through it and digest every sentence, otherwise I rapidly lose track. I'm not sure I'd even be able to keep up with a Gilbert and Sullivan musical.

Ezra Pound famously suggested that anyone unwilling to put forth the effort to master the vocabulary needed to read Chaucer in the original should be banned from ever reading good literature again. :LOL: I can't say I disagree.

I can set Mr Pound at ease: I'll voluntarily refrain from reading "good literature," whatever that may be. :D

Actually, we can argue to at least some extent that "good literature" exists: the classics are those pieces which withstand the test of time. For whatever reason, generation after generation, they keep on finding an audience. And by that measure, there is no doubt that Shakespeare, Dickens etc. wrote great literature. I do not by any means disrespect their achievement ( I am well aware that Shakespeare, to a significant extent, invented modern English - there is a YUGE list of English words that first appear in his plays). Nothing to sniff at, but I confess, I'm simply too dumb to get it.

In my defense, English is not my first language.

it seems to me literature and poetry have a greater tendency to also become antiquated, in a way visual art and music do not, because they are more dependent on knowledge of language and culture. Few of us could read what either Plato or Paul said without a team of translators as go-betweens, and any real understanding of them depends to at least some extent on understanding something of their culture. Not so much with art produced at the time.

Yes, for the vast amount of literature, we rely on an interpreter to go between the original text and us. I depend upon translators in order to read Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Goethe, Dante, etc... But we might say the same is true of all music before the innovation of sound recording. We listen to Karajan's or Furtwangler's or Murray Perahia's interpretations of Wagner, Beethoven, or Mozart. But I think we should be honest and admit that almost all Art demands that the audience invest a certain effort into understanding. A painting like this might be appreciated purely for what we see:

... it's a lovely landscape... beautifully painted... with all sorts of strange things going on. But a greater investment in studying the culture and history and iconography will open up the work to further levels of appreciation. Many artists employed imagery and iconography drawn from what was likely thought of as a "universal narrative". "Everyone" knew what these paintings were about:

... or did they? Certainly, the Biblical narratives were universally understood by the educated Europeans... but what of those living in the Middle East or Japan? The subject and narrative of a painting such as this was likely "universally" understood by the educated individuals in the Islamic World as the paintings above are to us in the West.

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It can certainly help to understand the cultural context. But I find I greatly enjoy such things as Persian miniatures or prehistoric cave art, without having any clue as to what any of it means - visual art has its own visual language. And the same goes for music: yes, we need performers to play it, but I just meant that one can potentially enjoy any music, from any culture, without any knowledge of the culture itself.

I saw this illustrated years ago. I was working night shift in a medical laboratory, and one of my colleagues was an African man, who had never heard classical music before, and I'm not sure he had ever even heard of it. I put on a CD of Baroque lute music. He was completely entranced, and immediately wanted to know where he could buy the CD!

My own experience has been similar: the first time I heard medieval music I found it hauntingly beautiful, and there is a good deal of folk music from all over the world that I enjoy, without understanding any of the lyrics or cultural context.

This is the power and also weakness of both visual art and music: its lack of specificity means anyone can potentially enjoy it, but it also means there are limits to what exactly can be expressed with it. "Political" art and music tend to fall flat; you can't really effectively express outrage at the plight of the proletariat (or whatever other such ideas) with a piece of music or a painting. Literature works far better for that (indeed, that was precisely what Dickens was doing).

Even as we speak I am once again engaged in trying to improve my basic drawing skills, and once again struggling, after thirty years at it, to master stuff that most students manage in six months. But this time round I feel I'm making real progress.

I have drawn things since I was 6. All that I made before the age of 65 is not worth counting. At 73 I began to understand the true construction of animals, plants, trees, birds, fishes, and insects. At 90 I will enter into the secret of things. At 110, everything - every dot, every dash - will live. To all of you who are going to live as long as I do, I promise to keep my word. I am writing this in my old age, I used to call myself Hokusai, but today I sign myself 'The Old Man Mad About Drawing.'

If heaven gives me ten more years, or an extension of even five years, I shall surely become a true artist.

Well, who knows, in thirty years, if I can still hold a pencil, perhaps I will finally learn not to misalign the eyes, or draw features too large or too small. :D
 
Ezra Pound famously suggested that anyone unwilling to put forth the effort to master the vocabulary needed to read Chaucer in the original should be banned from ever reading good literature again.

:rolleyes:


Good literature? According to whom? What about putting forth the effort to master the vocabulary needed to read all literature? That's when the reader can tell if they are enjoying what they are reading and not just letting it go over their head. I think many writers are multi-layered, and some writers with a reputation for being ultra-dense are not nearly as challenging to understand as their hype precludes. Not when putting forward some effort anyway.

I have always been a very slow reader, and it's not just because I'm a bit dense in brain matter. It's also because I want to make extra sure I'm assimilating the words and meaning, the poetry and intention. If I have to, I will read lines several times over before going to the next. I never want to skim anything important to me or necessary in a historical context, such as literature or art. I was always a curious young person, so I did more of my fictional reading during that time, but I've always applied myself in this same manner when it comes to reading.

However, I admit I've never read The Canterbury Tales or anything else by Chaucer, so I'm just a dope. :ROFLMAO:

I've read a lot of Shakespeare, though, and we don't want to get into that again. ;) I don't hate him; I'm just not a big fan, as St. Luke knows. I am very picky about poetry. I like his plays a little more. But I'll stop there because I don't want to offend anyone.
 

Diesel invented the diesel engine- a gobsmackingly HUGE leap forward for countries at war- smack in the middle of very messy upheaval in Europe- and then he mysteriously disappeared from a ferry-type ship in the North Sea. While *a* body was found, it was not recovered, just a few of his things, which his son identified as his.

When the two most considered suspects of one's possible murder are Kaiser Wlhelm and John D Rockefeller, it makes the story far more escapist.

The other one is something I dip into and out of because it is fun; the author is unashamed of using language which exactly captures his reaction to what he is discussing: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/on-this-day-in-history-sh-t-went-down-james-fell/1138706702

Which actually got its start here: https://jamesfell.substack.com/p/every-on-this-day-in-history-so-far (substack sign-in)
 
I'm still reading mostly poetry. I've always liked the fact that shorter works of literature can be read/experienced in a single sitting. This was an aspect that Edgar Allen Poe championed in one of his essays. I just completed Rilke's Sonnets to Orpheus and Duino Elegies. I read both of these a great many years ago when I was maybe 18 or 19. I remember approaching them in the manner often taught in grade school... as something that needed to be deciphered. This time, I just read them straight through. Of course, I'm probably able to do so because my vocabulary and my knowledge of literary precedents (characters, narratives, etc...) as well as my grasp of poetic language and poetic structures is much greater than it was just out of high-school. I just picked up a recent translation of Ovid's Metamorphoses which was probably the most influential book on artists after the Bible. This new translation by Stephanie McCarter has been greatly praised not only for adhering to the original, and for the beauty of the language and the form... but also for the fact that the translator avoided downplaying or even censoring the abusiveness of the gods, the violence, and the sexuality. I have quite enjoyed what I have read so far... but at the moment I reading Stephane Mallarme... French Symbolism (again)/Modernism.
 
I'm still reading mostly poetry. I've always liked the fact that shorter works of literature can be read/experienced in a single sitting. This was an aspect that Edgar Allen Poe championed in one of his essays. I just completed Rilke's Sonnets to Orpheus and Duino Elegies. I read both of these a great many years ago when I was maybe 18 or 19. I remember approaching them in the manner often taught in grade school... as something that needed to be deciphered. This time, I just read them straight through. Of course, I'm probably able to do so because my vocabulary and my knowledge of literary precedents (characters, narratives, etc...) as well as my grasp of poetic language and poetic structures is much greater than it was just out of high-school. I just picked up a recent translation of Ovid's Metamorphoses which was probably the most influential book on artists after the Bible. This new translation by Stephanie McCarter has been greatly praised not only for adhering to the original, and for the beauty of the language and the form... but also for the fact that the translator avoided downplaying or even censoring the abusiveness of the gods, the violence, and the sexuality. I have quite enjoyed what I have read so far... but at the moment I reading Stephane Mallarme... French Symbolism (again)/Modernism.

I have found, somewhat top my own surprise, that I find 19th century poetry far easier to read than most of that century's literature. I share your appreciation for shorter forms. It occurred to me that novels are actually kind of unnatural. For most of human history, stories were almost all short stories. Even something as epic as the Bible is actually a collection of short stories rather than a single big one.

In the meantime I went culturally all sophisticated by reading Margaret Atwood's famous The Handmaid's Tale. But, erm, I read the graphic novel version. It made me determined to never read a book without pictures again. :D
 
I share your appreciation for shorter forms. It occurred to me that novels are actually kind of unnatural. For most of human history, stories were almost all short stories. Even something as epic as the Bible is actually a collection of short stories rather than a single big one.
Yes... among my favorite longer works ore those collections... often held together by a "frame story"... such as Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Dante's Comedia, The Bible, The Arabian Nights, Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, and collected faerie tales/folk tales, etc... Ovid's Metamorposes... that I mentioned above... is another example... an epic poem comprised of a collection of shorter tales/fictions. Among my favorite Modern writers, I would include J.L. Borges, Franz Kafka, Flannery O'Connor, Shirley Jackson, Ambrose Bierce, H.P. Lovecraft, Arthur Conan Doyle, Italo Calvino, Donald Barthleme, Joseph Conrad, Ray Bradbury, I.B. Singer, Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse, etc...

I would also count among my favorite writers: Shakespeare and other playwrights... Molière, Marivaux, Beckett, Tenessee Williams, G.B. Shaw, Oscar Wilde, Checkov, Aeschylus, Euripides, Christopher Marlowe, Sophocles, Friedrich Dürrenmatt, etc... Again... their's are works that can be read at a single sitting. Poe argued that shorter works of literature allow for the establishment of a single mood or atmosphere which would be lost in a long novel when the occurrences of daily life interfere in between reading sessions. One might almost suspect that the long novel made more sense for the readers... especially the well-heeled readers without daily jobs to go to... of the 18th & 19th centuries when one didn't have endless alternative forms of "entertainment": TV, films, the internet, music accessible almost anywhere, etc...
 
I would also count among my favorite writers: Shakespeare and other playwrights... Molière, Marivaux, Beckett, Tenessee Williams, G.B. Shaw, Oscar Wilde, Checkov, Aeschylus, Euripides, Christopher Marlowe, Sophocles, Friedrich Dürrenmatt, etc... Again... their's are works that can be read at a single sitting.

When I was in 12th grade, our prescribed book in English was Macbeth. It took us a whole year to read through it. :D

But yes, I get the general point. We see it even in modern media - with the exception of Warhol's cinematic adventures, most films are short. TV series often consist of more or less independently standing episodes, even if they feature recurring characters.

Poe argued that shorter works of literature allow for the establishment of a single mood or atmosphere which would be lost in a long novel when the occurrences of daily life interfere in between reading sessions. One might almost suspect that the long novel made more sense for the readers... especially the well-heeled readers without daily jobs to go to... of the 18th & 19th centuries when one didn't have endless alternative forms of "entertainment": TV, films, the internet, music accessible almost anywhere, etc...

It may be that the shorter forms will make a big comeback, if only because the TikTok generation cannot focus on anything for more than thirty seconds at a time. Haiku will be the novel of the future. :D

As an aside, something I noticed about the arts: various genres have varying capacity to withstand repeated experience. One can listen to the same piece of music for a lifetime and never tire of it, but few novels will be read more than once, and even fewer more than twice. But somehow poetry doesn't work like that - a good poem seems to have something of music to it, and one can savor it over and over.

People buy paintings to hang on their walls for the rest of their lives, though I do suspect that after a week or two they hardly really notice them anymore. I don't know how many people keep on looking and looking at that big painting in the sitting room. Still, if one is into art, then one can indeed enjoy the same picture over and over.

Media which combine several different things tend to be a mixed bag. We can enjoy the same movie over and over if it's a good one, but this will of course not go for any movie at all, and even a favorite one will perhaps eventually begin to wear thin.

As I noted, of late I have been getting into graphic novels and comics in a way I have not done for many years. Since they combine the written word with art, I find I can enjoy them over and over in a way that is not the case with most novels on their own. I don't think this will be true for all readers, mind you - the reason why I can enjoy the same art over and over is because I'm into art.
 
You know…as I get older, it’s getting harder to read…in terms of understanding what I’m reading. Brain cells are shrinking. But oddly, I’m getting a little better at focusing and not letting my brain skip ahead of my eyes. Not sure if that makes anything better, or worse. I didn’t start out reading mostly fiction (used to be non-fiction) but I think I’m now at a place where I just enjoy stories by GOOD female writers. Maybe the style of writing and the writer’s “voice” and the characters and dialogue/emotions just seem more natural to me. And so…easier to absorb. Such as:

I just finished my second ISABEL ALLENDE book about…”a bold exploration of womanhood, feminism, parenting, aging, love and more.” (Associated Press)
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Now I’m reading my third SIRI HUSTVEDT book about…. “an engaging tale of marital rupture that addresses a painful subject with great humor.” (The Guardian)
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Next up is my third MARGARET ATWOOD book about…”a reimagining of Shakespeare’s final, great play, The Tempest, in a gripping and emotionally rich novel of passion and revenge.” (NY Times)
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This book by ELIF BATUMAN is waiting to be picked up from the library. It’s her second book and a continuation of her debut novel (and a finalist for the Pulitzer), called The Idiot. Read that one and now this continues the story of Selina, during her sophomore year at Harvard.
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This one by DAVID GRANN has been on hold for a long time and I’m looking forward to getting it. Nonfiction and historical, plus a male writer who I’ve never heard of, plus criminals in the old timey West means this isn’t my usual fare. But it got good reviews and will give me some background when I get around to seeing the Scorsese movie which came out last month.
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It’s kind of funny that they’re all red and yellow though…as if I choose books by color.
Hmmm. Like pretty fall leaves…
 
Cool and all interesting, friends.

I don't usually post what I read here. Why? Well, I guess it's a little bit...not embarrassing, but I guess I sometimes think people will think I'm pretty weird and obsessed or something. But I read a LOT of social psychology, specifically about coercion and group control. I suppose I've been studying it for roughly 20 years now. Think I'm obsessed? I guess I am. I occasionally help people out of high-control groups and cults. It's mainly because I got out of one myself about 23 years ago. I'm sort of an "armchair expert." I'm also in a couple of book clubs that meet on Zoom with members who are either ex-members of high-control groups, family members of loved ones stuck inside, psychologists, and guest authors of some of the books we read.

I do occasionally read fiction, but not as often as I'd like. It's been a while. I like memoirs more. They don't have to be about the subject I was just mentioning, though.

The book I'm reading now is the 3rd edition of Take Back Your Life by Dr. Janja Lalich. It's like a combination of the first edition mixed with a past book she wrote called Captive Hearts, Captive Minds, one of the most helpful books I read many years ago.
 
Ayin, I don't think it's weird or obsessive to want better understanding of these subjects - it's what you lived. You're to be applauded for getting yourself into a better place, the way I see it. ❤️

And what better place than with a bunch of artists? We're all so calm and logical. 😜
 
Yeah! What Terri said! I’ve read a lot of psychological books myself but I think I got sick of thinking about me as I read them so stopped. And I’ve always liked new agey books about the soul and spirit etc (my embarrassing ones) but now I’m too angry and cynical and they just annoy me. And I used to read lots of non-fiction but everything’s too hard to understand these days so now it’s just girlie stories and art stuff.

Oh well….we like what we like and thank god it’s not all the same things. Maybe the way things are going, that will all change and we‘ll only have a choice of 5 books that will be deemed “acceptable adult reading.” Groan and sigh.

And by the way, I’m sorry those pictures were soooo big. You can see them from the next room! I can’t really size things well on my iPad and I thought I could drag the little blue corner things and make them smaller but I couldn’t and was too tired to figure it out so left them as the giants they were. Maybe we can consider it like a mini billboard advertisement for some really good female writers.

Hope everyone has a nice Thanksgiving and happy reading...I mean…EATing. (Well, why not BOTH?!)
 
When I was in 12th grade, our prescribed book in English was Macbeth. It took us a whole year to read through it. :D

Damn Brian! Macbeth is Shakespeare's shortest play and takes all of 3 hours to read. Lots of grade school analysis.

But yes, I get the general point. We see it even in modern media - with the exception of Warhol's cinematic adventures, most films are short. TV series often consist of more or less independently standing episodes, even if they feature recurring characters.

The studios often butcher films because they are "too long". I was surprised that the Lord of the Rings films were all almost 4 hours long!

Poe argued that shorter works of literature allow for the establishment of a single mood or atmosphere which would be lost in a long novel when the occurrences of daily life interfere in between reading sessions. One might almost suspect that the long novel made more sense for the readers... especially the well-heeled readers without daily jobs to go to... of the 18th & 19th centuries when one didn't have endless alternative forms of "entertainment": TV, films, the internet, music accessible almost anywhere, etc...

It may be that the shorter forms will make a big comeback, if only because the TikTok generation cannot focus on anything for more than thirty seconds at a time. Haiku will be the novel of the future. :D

For better or worse this may be true. Most of my students avoid Facebook because that platform frequently posts full articles... and even posts by individuals often employ full sentences, punctuation, and even paragraphs! :oops:

As an aside, something I noticed about the arts: various genres have varying capacity to withstand repeated experience. One can listen to the same piece of music for a lifetime and never tire of it, but few novels will be read more than once, and even fewer more than twice. But somehow poetry doesn't work like that - a good poem seems to have something of music to it, and one can savor it over and over.

That's true. There's only a few novels I've read more than once but there are short stories by Kafka and J.L. Borges and poems by Baudelaire, William Blake, etc... that I've read a good number of times.

People buy paintings to hang on their walls for the rest of their lives, though I do suspect that after a week or two they hardly really notice them anymore. I don't know how many people keep on looking and looking at that big painting in the sitting room. Still, if one is into art, then one can indeed enjoy the same picture over and over.

There are certainly paintings I have gone out of my way to see every time I visit a given museum.

Media which combine several different things tend to be a mixed bag. We can enjoy the same movie over and over if it's a good one, but this will of course not go for any movie at all, and even a favorite one will perhaps eventually begin to wear thin.

There are definitely films I've watched a dozen times or more.

As I noted, of late I have been getting into graphic novels and comics in a way I have not done for many years. Since they combine the written word with art, I find I can enjoy them over and over in a way that is not the case with most novels on their own. I don't think this will be true for all readers, mind you - the reason why I can enjoy the same art over and over is because I'm into art.

I follow a good many comics and graphic novels, but honestly, I focus almost exclusively on the visual art.
 
Maybe the way things are going, that will all change and we‘ll only have a choice of 5 books that will be deemed “acceptable adult reading.”

I know the feeling. I'm glad I work in a large urban school district up North where we haven't had this sort of censorship of what can be taught. Also glad I have a large personal library.
 
I just finished "How to be an Artist" by Jerry Saltz. Most of which you can find on Vulture.
I read this a few years ago, whenever it first came out. It was a fun read, though this guy has totally ruined me on fiction. I don't know that I'll ever recover. I follow him on Instagram, and he made an offhand comment in the caption of one of his posts, I don't even remember what the post was about, but he said that he "just can't do fiction." I don't remember if he explained why not, or what it was that hurt him, but it just stuck with me. As someone who has been writing and rewriting a novel in my head for over 2 decades, and has dozens of short story sketches and other writerly odds and ends saved on my PC that are in various stages of being, I was already in doubt of my ability to follow through on any of my writing projects. That comment of his, buried in some random Insta-caption, shook me to my core, and it caused me to question all of the time I spent writing fiction, and, gasp, even made me question all the hours I devoted to reading fiction. I know that he (probably) never meant to put anyone off, and was only voicing his own preference, but I can hardly open up a novel or book of short stories without that stupid little comment clouding my enjoyment of it. I know, logically, that reading Amy Hempel's Collected Stories, or re-reading Mrs. Dalloway, is NOT a waste of my time, and it's entirely up to me to shake it off and say WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT FICTION, MR. SALTZ, but I just can't seem to let it go. Maybe someday I'll forget, but for now, I mainly just stick to non-fiction, or poetry.

and Blood Meridian are his masterpieces IMO

This was the last novel I read before I stopped being able to read fiction. It is an absolute treasure. A very dark gem. Glad I got it under my belt before I developed a fiction allergy.

Currently, I'm reading Shape: The Hidden Geometry of Information, Biology, Strategy, Democracy, and Everything Else by Jordan Ellenberg, and Marianne Boruch's New and Selected Poems.
 
I read this a few years ago, whenever it first came out. It was a fun read, though this guy has totally ruined me on fiction. I don't know that I'll ever recover. I follow him on Instagram, and he made an offhand comment in the caption of one of his posts, I don't even remember what the post was about, but he said that he "just can't do fiction." I don't remember if he explained why not, or what it was that hurt him, but it just stuck with me. As someone who has been writing and rewriting a novel in my head for over 2 decades, and has dozens of short story sketches and other writerly odds and ends saved on my PC that are in various stages of being, I was already in doubt of my ability to follow through on any of my writing projects. That comment of his, buried in some random Insta-caption, shook me to my core, and it caused me to question all of the time I spent writing fiction, and, gasp, even made me question all the hours I devoted to reading fiction. I know that he (probably) never meant to put anyone off, and was only voicing his own preference, but I can hardly open up a novel or book of short stories without that stupid little comment clouding my enjoyment of it. I know, logically, that reading Amy Hempel's Collected Stories, or re-reading Mrs. Dalloway, is NOT a waste of my time, and it's entirely up to me to shake it off and say WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT FICTION, MR. SALTZ, but I just can't seem to let it go. Maybe someday I'll forget, but for now, I mainly just stick to non-fiction, or poetry.



This was the last novel I read before I stopped being able to read fiction. It is an absolute treasure. A very dark gem. Glad I got it under my belt before I developed a fiction allergy.

Currently, I'm reading Shape: The Hidden Geometry of Information, Biology, Strategy, Democracy, and Everything Else by Jordan Ellenberg, and Marianne Boruch's New and Selected Poems.
Saltz isn't right about everything. ;)
 
I know! That's why it's so frustrating. It's definitely a me problem that I need to figure out how to get past.
I totally understand. I had to all but quit perusing Instagram because I got so discouraged looking at all the great art on there. I kept thinking I was a loser compared to everyone else, who seemed to be cranking out the art like they were making flapjacks.
 
When it comes to literature... writing... I frequently think of a famous story about Edgar Degas and Stéphane Mallarmé. Degas was trying to write poetry and wasn’t satisfied with the results. Since he had such great ideas, he couldn’t understand what he was doing wrong. “But my dear Degas,” exclaimed Mallarmé, “poems are made of words, not ideas!” There is a similar anecdote concerning Shakespeare's sonnets which some smart ass pointed out could all be reduced to "when I think of you... I feel blue."

Ultimately, both of these anecdotes seem to fall in support of a Formalist view of Art/Literature... in other words, it doesn't matter whether the work is fiction or non-fiction... what matters is the mastery of language and literary form. Some of the most marvelous examples of prose can be found in works of non-fiction such as:

Michel de Montaigne- Essays
Edward Gibbon- The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Edmund Burke- A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful
Thomas De Quincey- Confessions of an English Opium-Eater
Jonathan Swift- A Modest Proposal
Ralph Waldo Emerson- Essays
J.L.Borges- Non-Fictions
 
When it comes to literature... writing... I frequently think of a famous story about Edgar Degas and Stéphane Mallarmé. Degas was trying to write poetry and wasn’t satisfied with the results. Since he had such great ideas, he couldn’t understand what he was doing wrong. “But my dear Degas,” exclaimed Mallarmé, “poems are made of words, not ideas!” There is a similar anecdote concerning Shakespeare's sonnets which some smart ass pointed out could all be reduced to "when I think of you... I feel blue."

too tired for sonnets
thinking of you I feel blue
on this moonlit night

Unbeknownst to most historians, Shakespeare sometimes dabbled in haiku.

Ultimately, both of these anecdotes seem to fall in support of a Formalist view of Art/Literature... in other words, it doesn't matter whether the work is fiction or non-fiction... what matters is the mastery of language and literary form. Some of the most marvelous examples of prose can be found in works of non-fiction such as:

Michel de Montaigne- Essays
Edward Gibbon- The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Edmund Burke- A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful
Thomas De Quincey- Confessions of an English Opium-Eater
Jonathan Swift- A Modest Proposal
Ralph Waldo Emerson- Essays
J.L.Borges- Non-Fictions

One of the most profound insights from the movie Dead Poets Society: the purpose of language is not to communicate, but to woo women. And get elected. And successfully threaten enemies. And so on and so forth: for the most part, language is a form of assuming a pose, and most of what we say and write is clever-sounding nonsense designed to work up the emotions rather than the intellect, irrespective of whether it is fiction or non-fiction. That includes this paragraph. :D
 
Reading

No longer human- Osamu dazai
The Black witch chronicles series by laurie forest

on hold
The visions of divine feminine by David Kinsley
 
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