T4t messiah

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Process for a recent piece, i did the usual scanning and colouring digitally but with some changes to my usual process. I usually colorpick for black and create a red double of lineart to make traditionally drawn parts blend more smoothly with digital colouring, this time i didn't use the blur and made the additional layer blue, very late into the process because i didn't like how it was blending in image 2.
The obvious inspiration is klimt, the pose copied from painting "friends" which from my limited understanding of german can be also translated to girlfriends ad is often interpreted as such, but unlike in the painting they aren't looking at the viewer, but at each other (or the flame as in original sketch) This is related to portrait of the lady of fire and general ideas that it feels more like love and is more distant from male gaze, the expected viewer, at least that was the idea. The more i learned of Klimt the less i liked the guy, at least his art. The way he talks of women feels unpleasant, and the painting of 3 the three ages of woman feel like are referring to disgusting ideas of "expiration date" found in modern dating "discourse online" it really feels like he hated women in his art, even though they were his subjects more often than not. Don't get me wrong the idea of 3 stages of womanhood can be quite powerful even if it seems like it was invented in men, the triple goddess and capacity for change are good things to think about, but in the end the way older woman is framed feels hateful, contrast to the beauty or innocence or hope.
The reason i study such old "masters" is because i am trying to find non pornographic ways to frame human body and then explore it from there, i strive for the kind of veneration to flesh that could be found in roman and greek art, altho they definitely liked men more (this is also why i don't believe in heterosexuality as a real thing)
Characters are designed for webcomick I'm working on. There is some symbolism going on, the snake of course is meant to reference feminine symbolism, the snake shedding skin was seen as connection to reincarnation ad giving life and wisdom, or in abrahamic stuff lilith and eve ( one friend semi familiar with hebrew sai that the way eve is written it might just mean snake, while adam means made from dust. Generally women historically were associated with snakes which is pretty epic. The frog references old popeye comicks where he wears dresses and says he is amphibious while he means he is androgynous, very goofy stuff, decided it's a pretty goofy metaphore for nonbinarity and put it there even though friend suggested sweetwater fish instead. Bat im ot sure, it just kinda came to me, but with bad ad fire we have air and fire, giving us 4 elements. The symbol on the fire urn is coat of arms of silesia, area of poland with people with its own culture and language desiring their language to be at least reconized, and sometimes independence also. Comic will take place in this area. Plants felt like an appropriate way to frame this kind of thing, veneration of nature and flesh etc. And the purple screen with golden lines idk, trying to explore klimt esque stuff and failing. Generally i tried to make this more painterly than most of my art, hence shadow being treated as a blue mist on their bodies. Feedback would be appreciated, love criticism, aim especially at framing and compositions and how it makes you feel, but anything will be met with eagerness to learn.

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Love this, and all the thoughts you had that went into the symbolism of it. I also like the original (?) top cartoonish sketch for its immediacy vibe, but the painting has some mastery to it, and I see this as more "love" between the subjects than for the male gaze, though none of us can control that. We can't control how people perceive our work. However, I think you have your intention in this and it is successful. The technique in which you painted it is also very aesthetic. Really well done.

Who did the one above the Klimt at the bottom???
 
Who did the one above the Klimt at the bottom???
That is klimt too, the one i translate to either friends/girlfriends. A lot of Klimt's art does not look exactly how one expects his art to look, he had phases different than the golden one, he painted portraits that didn't have the variety of aesthethizing shapes, and his early work was very generic and academic looking even if professionals in the field can recognize which parts of it he did despite him working in an art firm with brother and some other guy. His landscape paintings look differently from what we expect when thinking "Klimt's art"
Love this, and all the thoughts you had that went into the symbolism of it. I also like the original (?) top cartoonish sketch for its immediacy vibe, but the painting has some mastery to it, and I see this as more "love" between the subjects than for the male gaze, though none of us can control that. We can't control how people perceive our work. However, I think you have your intention in this and it is successful. The technique in which you painted it is also very aesthetic. Really well done.
Good rule of thumb is usually whether they are looking at the viewer o each other as actual lovers tend to do, this is the main and most intentional change to the composition. Of course it is more complex than this, it is an area i try to explore as i am very interested in flesh blood and human body and nudity and hair and nails ad organs and other such things. Definitely seems like i am in the minority on this specific painting though, it is a academic conversation whether it's about lesbianism at all in the first place. I don't think male gaze is evil, and it probably should just exist alongside more varied ways of framing human body, but in case of lesbians i would like to avoid it altogether. Portrait of a lady on fire is an interesting movie exploring the framing of female body and lesbian love which i reference with her being on fire, but it doesn't have much depth beyond that in my intentions.
While we cannot have absolute control what we put in the painting definitely affects its perception, its always a conversation, 50% us, 50% the viewer.

found the popeye comics i question
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Well, I'm definitely no academic, but I don't think one needs to be to discuss whether a painting is queer or hetero. Do you?

I see what you mean about this Popeye thing now. Did they even use the word androgynous back then? I Used to use it before I ever heard the word "nonbinary." When that word started to seep into my world, at least there was more language to use. I used androgynous or gender-queer. I met another nonbinary person recently, and they called themself a transformer. I was like, "That's pretty cool. I may steal that!"
 
Well, I'm definitely no academic, but I don't think one needs to be to discuss whether a painting is queer or hetero. Do you?

I see what you mean about this Popeye thing now. Did they even use the word androgynous back then? I Used to use it before I ever heard the word "nonbinary." When that word started to seep into my world, at least there was more language to use. I used androgynous or gender-queer. I met another nonbinary person recently, and they called themself a transformer. I was like, "That's pretty cool. I may steal that!"
I didn't try implying only academics have valuable opinion on something, merely referenced that to my knowledge it isn't conclusive in their view, nonetheless i used that interpretation to jump off of.

I believe the word androgyne is from ancient greek so yes they had it during popeyes run, the joke is that he misses the word.
And yeah that is pretty funny way to put ones nonbinarity. In poland a catch all term similar to queer is "pokemons" refering to variety and colorfulnes of the group, and originating as a slur but it was funny enough that pokemons themselves adopted it too

I like the array of color
Thanks!
 
I didn't try implying only academics have valuable opinion on something, merely referenced that to my knowledge it isn't conclusive in their view, nonetheless i used that interpretation to jump off of.

I believe the word androgyne is from ancient greek so yes they had it during popeyes run, the joke is that he misses the word.
And yeah that is pretty funny way to put ones nonbinarity. In poland a catch all term similar to queer is "pokemons" refering to variety and colorfulnes of the group, and originating as a slur but it was funny enough that pokemons themselves adopted it too
I didn't think you were implying that. I hear ya. And I LOVE the pokemons reference even better than the transformer one! :ROFLMAO: 👏
 
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