Rose in Watercolor

Joy

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This was part of a challenge for another site. Since I am trying to expand my horizons, I tried doing a crop of the central portion, hoping to get a semi-abstract quality. The mask looked so unnatural, my layers got streaky, but at least it looks better on the screen than in person. Would appreciate any tips. It is the same subject Sandra (Sanlynn) posted in a Valentine's thread here. Hers is so lovely and delicate. As usual, I fiddled with it too much. It is 8 x 8 on Arches 140 CP.

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Joy, love it! Beautiful 🩷 🌹
I like a lot the strong darks. I think they give strength to the flower. I like the light area coloring, too. I think it's a perfect painting and perfect rose. Well done!
 
Thanks for the kind words. This too blotchy in person, although I do like the composition and values. The technique was not very good, but I do not like painting flowers, as so many do them so well.
 
If it's blotchy I don't notice it here, Joy. I think you did great showing the abstract design and it's a very appealing piece. I haven't done watercolors in forever but do you do the darks last, on top of the other values? Is your dark one of the transparent colors? I wonder if a different palette might work better ( or at least be an excuse to buy some new colors.)
 
Donna, thanks for your feedback. I did glaze the darks, which ideally should have been darker initially. When I try to do this, I often am "stirring up" the dried layers of paint and creating mud. The best painters in the world do not use a lot of colors, as one can mix a good deal of them. I mainly use transparent ones. Since I am a slow and not very productive, I have a lot of paint. Recently I did buy some newer (to me) Daniel Smith colors, but I certainly didn't need them. The "haul" videos on YT are so popular, which shows a lot about our society. Often, one can be creative when forced to do with less. My very humble beginnings did not allow for any discretionary spending, so as a child I would try to craft with whatever ribbons, beads, etc. was already there.
 
I think it looks great. If I had to be super picky maybe the shading could more gradual? I know it's something I don't do well or pay enough attention to. Shading with wc difficult I think. But it's lovely as is. Sometimes perfect realism isn't always best. I would argue that it never is.
 
John, thank you for the insight! That was very true and helpful. Shadows are difficult (for me) and that is sound advice which I will remember. For the last decade or so, forums have seemed to discourage critique, and I really miss it.
 
Lovely Joy.

The trick I use for gradual shading is to use 2 brushes. One lays down color and the second is slightly damp with clean water and is used to soften the edges. Also, a few light layers (drying between) works better than trying to do too much at once.
 
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Joy, I like the macro idea and I like to see that you’re trying stuff. I know your ability and I know that you pick up on the issues. I do see some of your struggles here because I know what you can do. So I know it’s part of getting used to trying new things. In my experience, the shadows of a pink flower can be very tricky. Because red is still too warm. I agree with more blending if it’s gonna be macro. Being closer to the subject now, it’s under more scrutiny. That would be fine if it’s part of a larger painting. I run into that myself.
The blotchiness. Yeah, I see a little bit. Sometimes I’ve run into problems by adding a lot of colors. As you mentioned, a lot of artists keep to a very small limited pallet because it keeps the colours all related by mixing only those colour, but it’s also more than that. Colours that look good in the tube can act differently on the paper, especially if you start mixing it with other colors. The fugitive pigments can sometimes come through. Pigments used to make that colour can sometimes lead to surprising results. You mix it with a little white or another colour and all of a sudden you’ve got black coming through! I’ve had that happen more than once. Also, they start not to relate to each other. It’s funny seeing colour in a tube versus on the paper. I’m thinking of a mauve from the tube. If you mix a mauve with the colours you have on your limited palette, it is related. It pleases the eye. If you take it out from a tube already premixed and you put it down beside those colours it can look jarring. They don’t relate, even though you’re thinking hey I’m using pink and purple. I can use this mauve. Not really. When you’re blending it and these pigments start to show up, it will look kind of muddy. I hope you don’t mind me saying this because it’s just what I have found to be true. So when you get all those sales or those good paint hauls you’re so excited to use, you can run into a lot of problems with all these pre-mixed colours. I find I hardly ever use them anymore. They barely get touched because the colours are nice but to blend them is a nightmare. Now if I’m doing an abstract and I just wanna lay paint down of different colours and I am not looking for a uniform relationship on the canvas then I will use them. I don’t blend them though.
There’s some artists that love exploring the pigments of paint. Particularly you’ll see this in oil paint. But watercolour paint it’s the same kind of thing. They like the deeper understanding of these pigments and how they work together or how they do not work well together. Certainly it’s easier to avoid the mistake in the first place before putting it down on canvas. It is important as getting to learn if you’re paints are granular or staining, etc.. It makes a big difference in watercolors. For instance, you pick a French Ultramarine, Cerulean Blue, or Manganese Blue and let’s say you want a smooth blue-those are not it. You could have a sky or water that looks all granular. Of course the staining reds in particular are just impossible to pull off the paper. All these things to know and learn. But it’s the fugitive pigments that can cause the most trouble in paints. Seriously I’ve been almost done a painting and it’s going great and all of a sudden I’m doing a mix and I apply it and it just goes into a dark smudge on my painting! Especially if I mix it with a white. Anyways, there’s only one way to learn and that is by doing and finding out what happens. So keep going. I know with your ability you’ll be able to get there quickly. These are just the thoughts off the top of my head, but I may be rambling because I only got two hours sleep last night.
 
Christine, thanks ever so much for your detailed, helpful comments. I actually loathe the color pink, so I was attempting to make this more of a peachy color, and the violet/blue shadows over that got muddy due to the yellow. Since yellow is the only color that gets warmer as it turns away from the light, it got tricky with the shadows. I definitely pay attention to the properties, like staining or granular. I have never tried oils, but they sound difficult. Plus, I would be building up layers until it was too heavy to carry! And I certainly don't want to be a "collector" of supplies that are rarely used. It is insane how artists have hundreds of tubes of paint that they will take decades to use. Of course, if one is prolific and does a lot of large pieces, it will hasten this. Fortunately, I bought a fair amount of paper years ago that is double and triple the cost today.
 
Yeah, that’s a tricky problem with those colours and trying to avoid making mud. I haven’t done that many flowers and I haven’t done them in those colors. I guess what I do is I try to find something similar in watercolour that someone has done and see how they’ve handled it. Here’s the name of a lovely artist. She’s on Etsy and on Instagram-she’s a master water colourist. She does scenes but mostly she does flowers of all colours so she’s a good one to study. I do see some spots where she makes a little bit of mud, but it’s almost like you know, the dissonant cord that needs to be in a beautiful song. Ying and yang. Anyways, her work is very clean and worth looking at. I have bought some of her prints.
Her name is Cathy Hillegas
Etsy shop: https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/CathyHillegas
Instagram acct: https://www.instagram.com/cahillegas?igsh=MXFmeXVoamVvb3lyMQ==
 
I looked at this painting for four to five minutes and thinking about how you created it and how challenging it must have been. It’s amazing! The colors are beautiful, and your work is truly impressive.👍👍
 
Christine, thanks for the info. If i painted flowers, Hillegas' work is my personal taste for birght, modern colors. I was not familiar with the name before. I see she does other sunjects very well.

Waltar, Thanks for the very kind words.
 
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